tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post5994881938114614983..comments2024-03-09T15:46:44.638+01:00Comments on For what they were... we are: La Bastida de Totana (Spain) may have been largest city in Bronze Age mainland EuropeMajuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-77188685608073881202012-09-29T17:52:38.863+02:002012-09-29T17:52:38.863+02:00I already had posted the second link in-text sever...I already had posted the second link in-text several times but I appreciate your interest anyhow, Carlos. <br /><br />Do you think the entry is correct or would you suggest any improvements?<br /><br />(Si te sientes incómodo en inglés, puedes responder en castellano, claro - aunque el inglés es preferible porque así lo entiende más gente, al menos en este blog). Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-7228861017386105232012-09-29T17:29:47.755+02:002012-09-29T17:29:47.755+02:00http://www.facebook.com/LaBastida.Totana
http://w...http://www.facebook.com/LaBastida.Totana<br /><br />http://www.la-bastida.com/inicio/index.html<br /><br />Sorry, some things are being translated for the english version of the official website.<br /><br />Carlos Velasco Felipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11773905846021875595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-73001233676987710482012-09-28T11:59:25.096+02:002012-09-28T11:59:25.096+02:00No texts so early, at least not in this area.
How...No texts so early, at least not in this area.<br /><br />However I understand that these and/or neighboring Bronze of Levante cultural area are the ancestors of the proto-historical and historical Iberian culture. The geography of Iberian language (excluding Tartessian) is almost identical to El Argar + Bronze of Levante, with the inclusion of some areas further North (Catalonia, parts of Languedoc), which clearly swapped cultural zones in the 6th century BCE, after the founding of Massilia and Emporion.<br /><br />So, while not demonstrated, it seems quite reasonable to think of them as proto-Iberians. Since the Late Bronze Age, El Argar presumed polity appears to split in many city-states known collectively as post-Argaric culture. There may have been a larger polity further SW (Tartessos) but in Eastern Iberia political unity would not be achieved again, it seems, until the Barcids, a colonialist force. <br /><br />It must be noted in this regard that there were two slightly different <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mapa_escriptures_paleohisp%C3%A0niques-ang.jpg" rel="nofollow">Iberian scripts</a> (not before the 7th century BCE), one in the Levante area and further North and the other mostly in the former Argar area. This may reflect the dual origins of Iberian ethnic identity and language. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-68412166005437834702012-09-28T07:37:20.888+02:002012-09-28T07:37:20.888+02:00Interesting.
Do we know if there are any texts fr...Interesting.<br /><br />Do we know if there are any texts from that city/civilisation?princenuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165977957244158593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-36564202795642804452012-09-28T02:14:12.529+02:002012-09-28T02:14:12.529+02:00It is a most interesting matter because if in the ...It is a most interesting matter because if in the Chalcolithic the connections between the Eastern and Western Mediterranean are tenuous, almost anecdotal, in the Bronze Age they become unquestionable, even if not always concise enough for our thirst of knowledge. <br /><br />I find most interesting that the oldest true cities in Europe, excluding some Aegean islands, are all in Iberia. This one is not even the oldest one, there are some which are older, from c. 2600 BCE, arguably contemporary with the earliest Minoan palaces (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_chronology" rel="nofollow">depending on authors</a>) and only a few centuries more recent than Troy I (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy#Archaeological_Troy" rel="nofollow">Troy</a> was in fact much more influential in SE Europe than Crete), contemporary of Troy II. <br /><br />I can't but think that the ancient Greek legends on Far-Western realms and civilizations, as reflected in the legends of Herakles (Geryon, Atlas and the Hesperides) or in the allegedly Egyptian story of Atlantis, talk of Iberian civilizations and the interactions of the Mycenaean Greeks with them (evidenced specially in some quite clear exchange of funerary rituals between both regions). Later (Iron Age) Phoencian and Phocaean stories on Tharsis/Tartessos seem to refer to another city, probably in Western Andalusia (not located yet, although the Tartessian culture is well defined).Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-67928784689796635272012-09-28T01:17:44.913+02:002012-09-28T01:17:44.913+02:00Excellent post. This brings a lot of precision an...Excellent post. This brings a lot of precision and context to points I'd only understood previously much more vaguely at much greater levels of generality.<br /><br />The recreation image, at a gut level, looks a lot like artists impressions that I have seen of some of the larger cities of the mid- to late Bronze Age Hittite empire in Anatolia (ca. 1500 BCE +/- a couple of centuries). This makes sense because it is a connection that your souce notes and fits into the time line several centuries after this fortification.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.com