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The purple component seems native East African (although based on other analyses it could well be also a consolidated Afro-Asian admixture), the grey component is Sardinian-like, i.e. unmistakably West Eurasian. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EHowever this last is small enough in Luxmanda that it could be little more than noise and maybe we should consider this population as East African aboriginal with no or very little West Eurasian admixture. Unsure."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4878361231524452207\/comments\/default\/5883871216525195330"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4878361231524452207\/comments\/default\/5883871216525195330"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/04\/luxmanda-30000-years-old-proto-horner.html?showComment=1655508874592#c5883871216525195330","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4878361231524452207\/comments\/default\/4815352670969672417"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/04\/luxmanda-30000-years-old-proto-horner.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4878361231524452207","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/4878361231524452207","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"June 18, 2022 at 1:34 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4815352670969672417"},"published":{"$t":"2022-06-17T23:01:29.621+02:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-06-17T23:01:29.621+02:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"I know this post is old but can you please explain..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"I know this post is old but can you please explain the results for people who don\u0026#39;t understand these graphs? What are the implications? You say the data speaks for itself but many of are dumb lol"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4878361231524452207\/comments\/default\/4815352670969672417"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4878361231524452207\/comments\/default\/4815352670969672417"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/04\/luxmanda-30000-years-old-proto-horner.html?showComment=1655499689621#c4815352670969672417","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Blipblop"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/03035845683958935507"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/04\/luxmanda-30000-years-old-proto-horner.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4878361231524452207","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/4878361231524452207","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1167652804"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"June 17, 2022 at 11:01 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6453168953657752980"},"published":{"$t":"2022-03-19T03:40:11.171+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-03-19T03:40:11.171+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Hello Francesco. Your Y-DNA may be Jewish-related ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Hello Francesco. Your Y-DNA may be Jewish-related or not, cannot speak for certain without seeing your Y-DNA results and matches. You can join my FTDNA project for me to examine your results, here is its link (my email address can be seen by moving the cursor to the mail icon next to my name on the left): https:\/\/www.familytreedna.com\/groups\/anatol-balkan-caucas\/about"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/6453168953657752980"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/6453168953657752980"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1647657611171#c6453168953657752980","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/2861635485897765114"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Onur Dincer"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/05041378853428912894"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"32","height":"22","src":"\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-Z-d_4dqSdBA\/V-HCV9J3EAI\/AAAAAAAAAIA\/lovduz_1LSEGfJDvWcfw6onB_-Ueh-OtQCK4B\/s113\/Celtic%2BWarriors.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-2120554555"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"March 19, 2022 at 3:40 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-3112266090515480818"},"published":{"$t":"2022-03-16T13:12:41.673+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-03-16T13:12:41.673+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are you saying that my ancestor would have been Jewish? It would be helpful to ask you more about your project and if you have an email please let me know how to get in touch. Yours, Francesco"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/3112266090515480818"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/3112266090515480818"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1647432761673#c3112266090515480818","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/2861635485897765114"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"A Classicist"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/03650596741531403599"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-204366055"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"March 16, 2022 at 1:12 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-1400393891000399237"},"published":{"$t":"2022-03-16T13:12:09.490+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-03-16T13:12:09.490+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are you saying that my ancestor would have been Jewish? It would be helpful to ask you more about your project and if you have an email please let me know how to get in touch. Yours, Francesco"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/1400393891000399237"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/1400393891000399237"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1647432729490#c1400393891000399237","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/2861635485897765114"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"A Classicist"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/03650596741531403599"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-204366055"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"March 16, 2022 at 1:12 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6955807988962919275"},"published":{"$t":"2022-03-13T09:32:43.553+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-03-13T09:32:43.553+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Unknown: we must make a distinction between J1 and..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Unknown: we must make a distinction between J1 and J2, these two lineages diverged very long ago and have clearly different histories. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EJ1 (listed as J(xJ2) in the paper) is almost as diverse in Northeast Africa (from Cyrenaica and Egypt to the Horn) as in West Asia (where it surely originated but in times Paleolithic). From Egypt and such it would later (Late Upper Paleolithic and Epipaleolithic) spread to NW Africa (West of Cyrenaica), being therefore less diverse (founder effects). \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EJ2 on the other hand seems to have spread more recently but quite vigorously from an Upper Mesopotamia center. Unlike J1, it\u0026#39;s quite common in Europe, where it surely spread with the Halafian-derived Pelasgo-Tyrsenian peoples, which would later bring it to Italy, where the Roman Empire spread it westward (West of the Alps it\u0026#39;s clearly strongly associated to Roman settlement and Italian autosomal genetics, most importantly in Southern Iberia). \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EIn West Asia we see both lineages but J2 is stronger towards the North or the Highlands and J1 is stronger towards the South or Arabia Peninsula. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EIn North Africa (and also in the Horn), J2 is a marker of Semitic or Italian (Roman) influx, be it Arab, Phoenician or Jewish. It\u0026#39;s not an \u0026quot;aboriginal\u0026quot; lineage in Africa, while J1 can be considered as such instead (certainly Paleolithic). \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ENot all Y-DNA J is the same. "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/6955807988962919275"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/6955807988962919275"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2015\/11\/algerian-complex-genetics.html?showComment=1647160363553#c6955807988962919275","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/1418329881414893332"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2015\/11\/algerian-complex-genetics.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8689751217295894630","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/8689751217295894630","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"March 13, 2022 at 9:32 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6381963435671713581"},"published":{"$t":"2022-03-13T09:22:03.014+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-03-13T09:22:03.014+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Noctu: Berber is an Arab \u0026quot;colonial slur\u0026quot;..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Noctu: Berber is an Arab \u0026quot;colonial slur\u0026quot; if anything. It was the Arabs who began widely using \u0026quot;Berber\u0026quot; (from Greek Barbaros = foreigner, barbarian) to refer to the Amazigh. Earlier it was not or very rarely used. It was NOT the French who introduced it at all.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EWhen they conquered parts of Tamazgha (North Africa except Egypt) they surely made a distinction between the \u0026quot;civilized Romans\u0026quot; of Carthage (which they destroyed again) and other coastal cities where Latin was the main language (as attested for instance in the work of Augustine of Hippo) and the \u0026quot;barbarians\u0026quot; of the interior, i.e. the Amazigh tribes still largely self-organized and using their own languages primarily. The label stuck, especially when \u0026quot;Moor\u0026quot; (Maurus in Latin) became more generic for all North Africans, Arabized or not. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u0026quot;Libyan\u0026quot; is not a term easily understood today, because it means from the polity of Libya (Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan). It\u0026#39;s like using \u0026quot;Ethiopian\u0026quot; without qualification: most people thing that it means someone from the country named Ethiopia since many centuries ago, while in ancient times it meant \u0026quot;Black African\u0026quot; rather."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/6381963435671713581"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/6381963435671713581"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2015\/11\/algerian-complex-genetics.html?showComment=1647159723014#c6381963435671713581","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/1418329881414893332"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2015\/11\/algerian-complex-genetics.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8689751217295894630","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/8689751217295894630","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"March 13, 2022 at 9:22 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2478016531936642181"},"published":{"$t":"2022-03-12T19:23:10.839+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-03-12T19:23:10.839+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Not really they aren\u0026#39;t Arab but berber(haplogr..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Not really they aren\u0026#39;t Arab but berber(haplogroup J is old in Algeria and not related to Arab) "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/2478016531936642181"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/2478016531936642181"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2015\/11\/algerian-complex-genetics.html?showComment=1647109390839#c2478016531936642181","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8689751217295894630\/comments\/default\/1418329881414893332"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"أحمد أمين عشيق"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/14870221588688276070"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2015\/11\/algerian-complex-genetics.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8689751217295894630","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/8689751217295894630","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-106432673"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"March 12, 2022 at 7:23 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2428912046580804335"},"published":{"$t":"2022-01-22T01:00:34.523+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-01-22T01:00:34.523+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Exactly. At the end of the day, the Kingdom of Leo..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Exactly. At the end of the day, the Kingdom of Leon was within the Crown of Castile. It actually makes all the sense. Not only is it no implausible, but on the contrary, highly plausible. Same goes for North African ancestry in Western Spain. Former Muslims (who would be the ones with significant North African ancestry) were forced to move westwards, as far from the Mediterranean as possible, so they could not allied with Muslim pirates and attack the Spanish coasts. I think these vents fit much better with the actual genetic make up of Spain than any Neolithic settlement thousands of years ago."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4207504790886991686\/comments\/default\/2428912046580804335"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4207504790886991686\/comments\/default\/2428912046580804335"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/03\/iberian-genetic-clusters.html?showComment=1642809634523#c2428912046580804335","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4207504790886991686\/comments\/default\/2491788851743952437"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Anonim"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/14325691322834963568"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/03\/iberian-genetic-clusters.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4207504790886991686","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/4207504790886991686","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1951424271"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"January 22, 2022 at 1:00 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4163172232131076413"},"published":{"$t":"2022-01-22T00:56:59.738+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-01-22T00:56:59.738+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"The few remaining Moriscos (former Muslims) in Spa..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"The few remaining Moriscos (former Muslims) in Spain were forced to move westwards and Northwards after they expulsion, and that does explain the high percentages in Galicia, Asturias, and in general, Western Spain and Portugal, and it makes much more sense than any Neolithic ancestry which is doubtfull given the internal population movements we know from historical records. The Reconquista theory you seem to no give credit to, it\u0026#39;s also the most plaussible one. The Crown of Castille included as well the Kingdom of Leon, and the fact that a city or region belonged to the Kingdom of Castille, given it was part of the Crown of Castile which also included the Kingdom of Leon, does not, by any means, signifies that the people living there are direct descendants of Castilians. I do think there is something missing, but I think it\u0026#39;s very farfetched to not give credit to the Reconquista expansionism, and what we know happened later (displacement of former Muslim communities westewards and Northwards), and yet presume some old Neolithic pattern, taht could very much still be there, but in no way would be as significant as the  expansion during the Reconquista and the policies of repopulation, expansionism and displacement carried out later on (and in recent  years). I do think (and I think it is evident) there\u0026#39;s an obvious pre-Muslim contribution of North African to the Iberian Peninsula, but the Western frame scoring higher North African genetic ancestry is nothign but confirmation of the 17th century displacement decrees. "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4207504790886991686\/comments\/default\/4163172232131076413"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/4207504790886991686\/comments\/default\/4163172232131076413"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/03\/iberian-genetic-clusters.html?showComment=1642809419738#c4163172232131076413","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Anonim"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/14325691322834963568"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2018\/03\/iberian-genetic-clusters.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4207504790886991686","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/4207504790886991686","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1951424271"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"January 22, 2022 at 12:56 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-3013192204816405187"},"published":{"$t":"2022-01-09T13:18:08.718+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-01-09T13:18:08.718+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"IJ and specifically I2 in (mostly?) Europe and J1 ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"IJ and specifically I2 in (mostly?) Europe and J1 in West Asia and North Africa seem very old haplogroups corresponding to the early or maybe second Upper Paleolithic expansions. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EJ1 is almost as diverse in NW Africa as in West Asia, so it must have been in Egypt, Sudan and The Horn since very long ago. We know that the NW African branch is derived from the NE one (much less diverse) and that it arrived with the Oranian and Capsian (Gafsan, do not confuse with \u0026quot;Caspian\u0026quot;) flows, so that leaves us before a deadline for the J1 main expansion before the Oranian almost certainly, i.e. before 21,000 years ago, actually long before that in the 50-30 Ka time frame I was mentioning before: in the early Upper Paleolithic. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThis allows for populations that are genetically admixed Afroasians like Kushites to still have been in Africa (The Horn in this case) for 30-50 thousand years almost unchanged maybe. And they are J1-rich indeed, all or most Horners are but the Semitic groups have small amounts of J2 that the others lack. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EIt\u0026#39;s J2 the Semitic marker in Africa (in Europe it\u0026#39;s rather Tyrseno-Roman instead) and it\u0026#39;s J2 a lineage that appears to have expanded from the northern fringes of the Fertile Crescent into various directions, most clearly westwards to Asia Minor and the Balcans c. 5000 BCE (Pelasgo-Tyrsenian or Halaf-Vinca invasion) but also southwards somehow in relation to Semitic expansion (which surely coalesced in the semi-desert fringes further south, within the Circum-Arabian Pastoralist Complex). "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/283221599911709487\/comments\/default\/3013192204816405187"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/283221599911709487\/comments\/default\/3013192204816405187"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2011\/10\/genetics-of-marsh-arabs-iraq.html?showComment=1641730688718#c3013192204816405187","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/283221599911709487\/comments\/default\/6436992354171961871"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2011\/10\/genetics-of-marsh-arabs-iraq.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-283221599911709487","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/283221599911709487","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"January 9, 2022 at 1:18 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6436992354171961871"},"published":{"$t":"2022-01-09T11:20:34.969+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2022-01-09T11:20:34.969+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Basic fact: J1 came from the western shore of the ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Basic fact: J1 came from the western shore of the Caspian in the area of Dagestan, so the ancestors of the Marsh Arabs came directly from that region. That rules out \u0026quot;Arabs\u0026quot; (wrong direction), Assyrians (who have a much more mixed ancestry), Akkadians (who came from the Levant), and the Sumerian ruling class, which had come from the area of Turkmenistan and is strongly suspected of having been predominantly R1b (based on their spreading of it, including to Egypt).\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EWhat does that leave? It leaves the indigenous people of the region who were there before Sumerian arrival. That population likely survived as the Sumerian underclass, which appears to have also survived the Akkadian invasion. It also fits the apparent class status of the Marsh Arabs, who do not appear to be the remnants of any elite group. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThough we don\u0026#39;t have direct evidence of the pre-Sumerian indigenous people, who may not have buried their dead, it\u0026#39;s a pretty good bet that they had come from the Caspian (as most people of the region did because the Caspian had been freshwater).  That is the likely source of the Marsh Arabs.\u003Cbr \/\u003E"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/283221599911709487\/comments\/default\/6436992354171961871"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/283221599911709487\/comments\/default\/6436992354171961871"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2011\/10\/genetics-of-marsh-arabs-iraq.html?showComment=1641723634969#c6436992354171961871","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Geoffrey Sea"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/14337917370419130609"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2011\/10\/genetics-of-marsh-arabs-iraq.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-283221599911709487","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/283221599911709487","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1408441741"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"January 9, 2022 at 11:20 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-409415503828662852"},"published":{"$t":"2021-12-31T12:28:40.541+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-12-31T12:28:40.541+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Primero de todo: no grites. Es horrible netiqueta ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Primero de todo: no grites. Es horrible netiqueta escribir todo con mayúsculas. Te he aprobado el comentario pero la próxima no cuela, advertido estás. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ESegundo, Georgeos Díaz-Montexano es un estafador, se dedica a sacar los cuartos al personal con supuestas expediciones submarinas en busca de una Atlántida que está a mi entender en tierra firme (en la zona de Castro do Zambujal, Torres Vedras, Portugal) e incluso inventa muchísimas cosas que no son para nada reales en términos arqueológicos.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EGadir tiene una etimología clarísima, la misma que Agadir y muchas otras formas similares en lenguas semitas: \u0026quot;la muralla\u0026quot; y por extensión \u0026quot;la fortaleza\u0026quot;. Gadir no es ni Atlántida ni Tartessos (probablemente bajo el casco antiguo de Sevilla), sino una típica y bastante bien documentada colonia fenicia de c. 800+ aEC. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EGadir probablemente destruyó Tartessos c. 560 aEC, flirteaban demasiado con los Foceo-Marselleses, resultando en una sociedad turdetana (post-tartésica) más débil y fragmentada que los Bárcidas conquistarían más tarde sin demasiado esfuerzo.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EEl etrusco no tiene relación alguna con el euskera (más allá de posibles orígenes comunes en el Paleolítico de Asia Occidental o relaciones de adyacencia\/sprachbund en varias geografías). La primera colonización neolítica d.c. 9000 aEC fue vascónica en lengua (y eso produce el euskera, el íbero, el \u0026quot;paleosardo\u0026quot; y probablemente el ligur también, entre muchas otras lenguas destruidas y olvidadas, que un día se hablaron hasta Kiev mismo - Cucuteni era vascónica también). Sin embargo, los Pelasgo-Tirsenios corresponden a una segunda oleada, centrada en el Halafiense del Norte de Siria, que conquistó Asia Menor y partes de los Balcanes a los vascónicos y se extendió a Italia en la crisis del Bronce Final y Hierro inicial, produciendo los Etruscos pero genéticamente (Y-DNA J2) afectando muchísimo a toda la península (genética que luego expandirían algo los romanos a Occidente). Son ambos \u0026quot;pre-Indoeuropeos\u0026quot; pero no son lo mismo. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ENo hubo \u0026quot;civilizaciones superiores\u0026quot; y Platón nunca habló de Atlántida (Atari Andi? = \u0026quot;gran portal\u0026quot; o \u0026quot;gran puerto\u0026quot; quizá) como una civilización \u0026quot;superior\u0026quot;, sino como una civilización comparable y \u0026quot;bárbara\u0026quot; (en el sentido de \u0026quot;extranjera\u0026quot; o \u0026quot;exótica\u0026quot;). Estoy muy seguro de que la Atlántida es un sitio real pero está en tierra firme (aunque sí que fue barrida por un terrible tsunami seguramente c. 1100 aEC) y era una civilización \u0026quot;típica\u0026quot; a nivel de desarrollo del Calcolítico y Edad de Bronce (duró milenios y fue muy influyente pero hace falta más investigación). \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EVer: https:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/i-just-found-my-very-old-first.html\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EEstoy ahora incluso bastante convencido de que la guerra que declararon, según Platón, a las civilizaciones del \u0026quot;golfo interior\u0026quot; (Mediterráneo Oriental) es al menos plausible, porque el colapso de Egipto y Grecia es contemporáneo (c. 1070 aEC) y, en el caso de Egipto, vemos como los bereberes (Meswesh) se hacen con el control del Delta, mientras que en el caso de Grecia vemos como únicamente Atenas (a la que Platón atribuye la derrota de los atlantes) sobrevió al desastre intacta. Ese es efectivamente el momento final de la Edad de Bronce (excepto por el Atlántico, donde dura unos siglos más)y es probable que sea así porque el colapso de Atlántida seguramente supuso el fin del comercio del estaño, el metal estratégico de esa época, que casi sólo se originaba en Afganistán (ruta controlada por los asirios) y en el noroeste de Iberia (ruta controlada por Atlántida en gran medida). Al quebrarse la globalización de la Edad de Bronce de manera catastrófica, el hierro (aún bastante mediocre en tecnología) se convirtió en la única alternativa de fácil acceso y pronto fue mejorado en acero cada vez de mejor calidad."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/6100827849274675737\/comments\/default\/409415503828662852"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/6100827849274675737\/comments\/default\/409415503828662852"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/p\/blog-page.html","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/6100827849274675737\/comments\/default\/6692664105804491324"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/p\/blog-page.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6100827849274675737","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/6100827849274675737","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"December 31, 2021 at 12:28 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6692664105804491324"},"published":{"$t":"2021-12-30T19:21:30.317+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-12-30T19:21:30.317+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"A MI ENTENDER SEGUN HE LEIDO EN ALGUNAS OBRAS SEUD..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"A MI ENTENDER SEGUN HE LEIDO EN ALGUNAS OBRAS SEUDOHISTORICAS Y DEL TRABAJO DE MONTEIXANO QUE QUISO BUSCAR LA LENGUA RAIZ DE LA PALABRA GADEIRO O GADIRO HIZO PRUEBAS CON MUCHOS IDIOMAS INDOEUROPEO, URALICO, SANSCRITO, CUNEIFORME ETC Y DESCUBRIO QUE EL UNICO ANTIGUO IDIOMA QUE SEMEJABA AL NOMBRE DE GADIRO ERA EL SEMITICO-BEREBER QUE SE HABLABA EN EL ANTIGUO OASIS DEL SAHARA Y TAMBIEN TENIA SEMBLANZA CON LOS ANTIGUOS IDIOMAS EUROPEOS IBERO, VASCO, ETRUSCO, LIGUR, PELASGO ETC Y EL DESCUBRIMIENTO DE LAS ESCRITURAS IDEOGRAFICAS PALEOLITICAS Y NEOLITICAS DE (GLOZEL Y ALVAO) DE 15.000 Y 4.000 a.d.c. RESPECTIVAMENTE SE LO CONFIRMO AUN MAS. \u003Cbr \/\u003EA MI PARECER ANTES DE LA LLEGADA DE LOS INDOEUROPEOS EXISTIA EN EUROPA UNA CIVILIZACION SUPERIOR A LA NUESTRA EN DISCIPLINAS COMO EN LA CONSTRUCCION CON PIEDRA (LITICA), ESPIRITUAL Y ARMONICAMENTE Y SOBRE LA CONSTRUCCION LITICA FUERON UNICOS Y HAY EVIDENCIAS EN TODA EUROPA MEGATILISMO, MICENAS, HATUSAS, BALBEK, ACUEDUCTO DE SEGOVIA UNA OBRA CICLOPEA CONSTRUIDO SIN MORTERO Y ARGAMASA ETC. PARA MI LA VERDADERA HISTORIA ES LA MITOLOGICA EN EPOCAS ANTIGUAS."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/6100827849274675737\/comments\/default\/6692664105804491324"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/6100827849274675737\/comments\/default\/6692664105804491324"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/p\/blog-page.html","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"jordi"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/08806371638924125619"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/p\/blog-page.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6100827849274675737","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/6100827849274675737","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-902829298"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"December 30, 2021 at 7:21 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8765982488766832100"},"published":{"$t":"2021-12-29T16:57:33.398+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-12-29T16:57:33.398+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"There was an abolition of slavery also for the col..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"There was an abolition of slavery also for the colonies in the revolutionary period but it lasted only for some years because soon the reaction took over (Directory, Napoleon) and they reversed that. It\u0026#39;s even apparent in some movies on Caribbean slavery, how the white landowners react to that and try to counter that decision, etc. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EOf course one thing is formally abolishing slavery and another truly emancipating and re-equalling those oppressed groups. Slavery is now illegal everywhere but it survives in hidden forms, in the form of casteism, etc. "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/1842483283360170066\/comments\/default\/8765982488766832100"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/1842483283360170066\/comments\/default\/8765982488766832100"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2013\/02\/algerian-haploid-genetics.html?showComment=1640793453398#c8765982488766832100","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/1842483283360170066\/comments\/default\/8906782485560003997"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2013\/02\/algerian-haploid-genetics.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-1842483283360170066","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/1842483283360170066","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"December 29, 2021 at 4:57 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8906782485560003997"},"published":{"$t":"2021-12-29T04:47:12.121+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-12-29T04:47:12.121+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"The French abolished slavery twice. Napolean did n..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"The French abolished slavery twice. Napolean did not extend the first abolition to colonies like Martinique returned to France. So there was a 2nd abolition in 1848, that included Algeria. I suspect the Muslims resisted this by selling their slaves in Morocco, Tunisia and Libya and this resulted in a smaller black population in Algeria. Proving this is difficult because there are no official statistics, but I speculate 20% in Morocco, 15% in Tunisia, 303% in Libya and 7% in Algeria. "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/1842483283360170066\/comments\/default\/8906782485560003997"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/1842483283360170066\/comments\/default\/8906782485560003997"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2013\/02\/algerian-haploid-genetics.html?showComment=1640749632121#c8906782485560003997","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Doug Forbes"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12672434922650800374"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"33","height":"20","src":"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-nZW66qLHb1k\/T4Wmm1j0tzI\/AAAAAAAAACs\/UhiZO0MhxZw\/s220\/antiMormon01.png"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2013\/02\/algerian-haploid-genetics.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-1842483283360170066","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/1842483283360170066","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-486842497"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"December 29, 2021 at 4:47 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-4925481528749528431"},"published":{"$t":"2021-12-12T09:31:29.006+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-12-12T09:31:29.006+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"OK, I take notice from your observation. However w..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"OK, I take notice from your observation. However where did I use LWK in this analysis? The only East African population represented are Ethiopians and Masai. 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My own Luhya tribe has a different origin. So you should be careful about using LWK to address 8million non related groups."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8008179863926385940\/comments\/default\/11906309585866476"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/8008179863926385940\/comments\/default\/11906309585866476"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2012\/01\/egyptian-genetics-in-regional-context.html?showComment=1639258231571#c11906309585866476","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Mkenyan"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/04232443032991825065"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2012\/01\/egyptian-genetics-in-regional-context.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8008179863926385940","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/8008179863926385940","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-2051843557"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"December 11, 2021 at 10:30 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2861635485897765114"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-28T07:22:41.539+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-28T07:22:41.539+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result in my FTDNA Anatolia-Balkans-Caucasus DNA Project with over 650 members with a Y-DNA result, and no R2 (xM124) result. Of these three R2a members, one is Anatolian Turk, one is Anatolian Greek and one is Mizrahi Jew from Iraq\/Iran by known direct paternal ancestry. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe Anatolian Greek and the Anatolian Turk have no Y-DNA matches whereas the Mizrahi Jew has lots of Y-DNA matches (all 12-marker Y-STR matches since he has only taken a 12-marker Y-STR test at FTDNA), most of whom are Ashkenazi Jews but among whom there are some Mizrahi Jews as well. Obviously the high number of Ashkenazi Y-DNA matches is due to too many Ashkenazi Jews taking tests, but their existence among the Y-DNA matches of a Mizrahi Jew and their total non-existence among the Y-DNA matches of an Anatolian Greek and an Anatolian Turk is indicative of some Jewish-specific deep Y-DNA connections. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe fact that R2a exists not just in an Anatolian Turk but also in an Anatolian Greek points to the long existence of R2a in Anatolia, even if as a rare Y-DNA haplogroup. R2a is rare in West Asia in general anyway. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI think A Classicist\u0026#39;s R2a indeed came from West Asia. Could be Anatolian-related, Jewish-related or some other West Asian-related, his Y-DNA matches can inform us on that. If he has already taken a Y-DNA test at FTDNA, he can see his Y-DNA matches at various levels of resolution. If he has not, I suggest him such a test right now while there is still a Black Friday sale at FTDNA at the moment (November 30 is the last day of the sale). A Big Y test would be the most informative by far.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EFinally, since my FTDNA project is not focused on the parts of West Asia outside the territories of Turkey, Cyprus and the South Caucasus, the parts of West Asia outside these three regions are not well-represented in my project. So a Mizrahi Jewish member with origins from Iraq\/Iran with a R2a result is remarkable for my project."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/2861635485897765114"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/2861635485897765114"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1638080561539#c2861635485897765114","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Onur Dincer"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/05041378853428912894"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"32","height":"22","src":"\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-Z-d_4dqSdBA\/V-HCV9J3EAI\/AAAAAAAAAIA\/lovduz_1LSEGfJDvWcfw6onB_-Ueh-OtQCK4B\/s113\/Celtic%2BWarriors.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-2120554555"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 28, 2021 at 7:22 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-7750944620933037080"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-28T07:21:49.712+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-28T07:21:49.712+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result in my FTDNA Anatolia-Balkans-Caucasus DNA Project with over 650 members with a Y-DNA result, and no R2 (xM124) result. Of these three R2a members, one is Anatolian Turk, one is Anatolian Greek and one is Mizrahi Jew from Iraq\/Iran by known direct paternal ancestry. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe Anatolian Greek and the Anatolian Turk have no Y-DNA matches whereas the Mizrahi Jew has lots of Y-DNA matches (all 12-marker Y-STR matches since he has only taken a 12-marker Y-STR test at FTDNA), most of whom are Ashkenazi Jews but among whom there are some Mizrahi Jews as well. Obviously the high number of Ashkenazi Y-DNA matches is due to too many Ashkenazi Jews taking tests, but their existence among the Y-DNA matches of a Mizrahi Jew and their total non-existence among the Y-DNA matches of an Anatolian Greek and an Anatolian Turk is indicative of some Jewish-specific deep Y-DNA connections. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe fact that R2a exists not just in an Anatolian Turk but also in an Anatolian Greek points to the long existence of R2a in Anatolia, even if as a rare Y-DNA haplogroup. R2a is rare in West Asia in general anyway. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI think A Classicist\u0026#39;s R2a indeed came from West Asia. Could be Anatolian-related, Jewish-related or some other West Asian-related, his Y-DNA matches can inform us on that. If he has already taken a Y-DNA test at FTDNA, he can see his Y-DNA matches at various levels of resolution. If he has not, I suggest him such a test right now while there is still a Black Friday sale at FTDNA at the moment (November 30 is the last day of the sale). A Big Y test would be the most informative by far.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EFinally, since my FTDNA project is not focused on the parts of West Asia outside the territories of Turkey, Cyprus and the South Caucasus, the parts of West Asia outside these three regions are not well-represented in my project. So a Mizrahi Jewish member with origins from Iraq\/Iran with a R2a result is remarkable for my project."},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/7750944620933037080"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/7750944620933037080"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1638080509712#c7750944620933037080","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/8808983065599596326"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Onur Dincer"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/05041378853428912894"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"32","height":"22","src":"\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-Z-d_4dqSdBA\/V-HCV9J3EAI\/AAAAAAAAAIA\/lovduz_1LSEGfJDvWcfw6onB_-Ueh-OtQCK4B\/s113\/Celtic%2BWarriors.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-2120554555"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 28, 2021 at 7:21 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6054415864329482207"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-28T04:22:52.636+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-28T04:22:52.636+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"(Extension)\n\nMy best guess is that:\n\n1. K2b and P ..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"(Extension)\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EMy best guess is that:\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E1. K2b and P (SE Asia) c. 70 Ka BP\u003Cbr \/\u003E2. P1 (Bengal-Bihar) c. 60 Ka BP\u003Cbr \/\u003E3. R1, R2 and Q in NW India, Iran and Southern Central Asia c. 50 Ka BP\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThere\u0026#39;s no indication that R2 was at all present in the mainstream (Vasconic) Neolithic of Anatolian roots, so it probably arrived later, either with the Pelasgo-Tyrsenians (whose main marker in Europe is J2, although West of the Alps it means Roman colonization rather) or the Indoeuropeans (whose main marker in Europe west of the Dniepr is R1a). The presence of R2a in the Caucasus and among Western Jews (of Hellenistic Cypriot or Anatolian origin) suggests these two possible roads Westwards for the haplogroup. It could of course be a Jewish marker although it\u0026#39;s not the most common one anyhow (E1b, G2, J2 and J1 are the usual ones). \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EHonestly I don\u0026#39;t think you can really pinpoint a genealogical origin unless you find close matches, i.e. distant \u0026quot;cousins\u0026quot; by the same patrlineage. Sicily has been in many hands, not just in antiquity but also in the Middle Ages, would it be an issue of \u0026quot;most people\u0026quot; but being a rare lineage it could really come from anywhere (although the compass points to the East: to Asia Minor, the Caucasus or generally West Asia). "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/6054415864329482207"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/6054415864329482207"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1638069772636#c6054415864329482207","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/8808983065599596326"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 28, 2021 at 4:22 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-5534061942469249446"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-28T04:11:11.094+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-28T04:11:11.094+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"I\u0026#39;ll quote from Wikipedia (because right now I..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"I\u0026#39;ll quote from Wikipedia (because right now I don\u0026#39;t have anything better to say): \u0026quot;Haplogroup R2a (R-M124) is characterized by SNPs M124, F820\/Page4, L381, P249,[1] and is mainly found in South Asia, with lower frequencies in Central Asia and the Caucasus.[citation needed] R-M124 is also found in multiple Jewish populations: Iraqi Jews, Persian Jews, Mountain Jews, and Ashkenazi Jews.[3]\u0026quot;\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EAlso earlier: \u0026quot;Most research has tested only for the presence of R-M479 (R2) and R-M124 (R2a)\u0026quot; (...) \u0026quot;In addition, relatively little research has been done within South Asia, which is known to have the greatest concentration of R2\u0026quot;. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ESo I guess R2a may have a more westerly distribution than generic R2 but still the main area is India (subcontinent). "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/5534061942469249446"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/5534061942469249446"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1638069071094#c5534061942469249446","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/8808983065599596326"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 28, 2021 at 4:11 AM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-8808983065599596326"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-23T17:56:05.165+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-23T17:56:05.165+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"From what I have seen via websites My R2a formed i..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"From what I have seen via websites My R2a formed in out Iran around 5 bce, the closest sample to it is a 1000 AD Viking (British autosomal buried in Iceland). Further at low but significant levels R2 is found closer to where it originated among Kurds and Armenians. His is the closest related subclade. I guess that what I wonder is: could it be something that arrived in Sicily in very remote times? Or should I exclude it given that there are no other R2 ever noted in Sicily? If it is recent do you think I should focus my genealogical research on the early medieval period and think of slaves or hellenised persians migrants etc.? Or could have entered Sicily earlier? (perhaps with the Alans, an Indo Iranic group that would have had R2 haplotypes?) in other words and more simply, given how rare it is, should I suppose it entered in Sicily in the last 1000 years? Thanks again!"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/8808983065599596326"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/8808983065599596326"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1637686565165#c8808983065599596326","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"A Classicist"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/03650596741531403599"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-204366055"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 23, 2021 at 5:56 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-6041795174383675570"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-23T15:14:40.232+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-23T15:14:40.232+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Not sure if there\u0026#39;s been something new on R2 i..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Not sure if there\u0026#39;s been something new on R2 in the last few years but in principle it is a South Asian (Indian) specific haplogroup, hence it seems that your patrilineal ancestors have more exotic origins than usual. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EMtDNA X2 on the other hand is very specifically West Eurasian (in Europe only since Neolithic (also present in Native Americans via Siberia but not relevant here).\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ENot sure how to gauge the autosomal DNA composition nor the pigmentation details. Red hair is scattered through many populations (although it only really manifests in low pigmentation types I believe, there are IMO \u0026quot;genetic red hairs\u0026quot; with black or brown hair, and that you may notice in reddish hues in the skin, while \u0026quot;genetic blonds\u0026quot; are more yellowish instead), it is true that it is most common towards NW Europe (peaking in Scotland) but it\u0026#39;s a very distributed trait anyhow. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EYou may be just an example of not all Mediterraneans being brunet and tanning easily. Some of the most famous classical Greek characters like Pyrrhus of Epirus (or Pyrrhic victory \u0026quot;fame\u0026quot;, who was indeed campaigning in Sicily too) or the more legendary Achilles had red hair, so it\u0026#39;s not that uncommon (and almost certainly you need to be pale-ish to show strong red hair, slightly darker skin people would show either auburn or just black-brown shades typically, it\u0026#39;s not too well researched anyhow). "},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/6041795174383675570"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/6041795174383675570"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1637676880232#c6041795174383675570","title":""},{"rel":"related","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/5899857604556569152"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Maju"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/12369840391933337204"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"21","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-J24nMzSzRbg\/U21rgr2PnCI\/AAAAAAAACkM\/II-5TaufGx4\/s220\/neuk-bosquejo.jpg"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-1317913134"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 23, 2021 at 3:14 PM"}]},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-5899857604556569152"},"published":{"$t":"2021-11-23T11:44:09.258+01:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2021-11-23T11:44:09.258+01:00"},"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Hello, my Y haplogroup is R2a, and my paternal fam..."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Hello, my Y haplogroup is R2a, and my paternal family comes from Syracuse’s province. I know of all my ancestors, all from that village, up to 1720. My mother is X2 and her family is from the province of Enna. \u003Cbr \/\u003EMy dna results 38% north Turkish 12% South Caucasus 4% Spain 7% Tuscany 8% Levant and the rest south Italy. Also, my family has been characterised by red hair and very  fair skin since we know of. What do you make of these results? And especially when do you think the R2a was introduced to Sicily?"},"link":[{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/5899857604556569152"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/3023805782808412230\/2012452634344214866\/comments\/default\/5899857604556569152"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html?showComment=1637664249258#c5899857604556569152","title":""}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"A Classicist"},"uri":{"$t":"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/03650596741531403599"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"16","height":"16","src":"https:\/\/img1.blogblog.com\/img\/b16-rounded.gif"}}],"thr$in-reply-to":{"xmlns$thr":"http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0","href":"http:\/\/forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com\/2014\/05\/sicilian-haploid-genetics-in.html","ref":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2012452634344214866","source":"http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3023805782808412230/posts/default/2012452634344214866","type":"text/html"},"gd$extendedProperty":[{"name":"blogger.itemClass","value":"pid-204366055"},{"name":"blogger.displayTime","value":"November 23, 2021 at 11:44 AM"}]}]}});