tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post3133364116130532140..comments2024-03-09T15:46:44.638+01:00Comments on For what they were... we are: Are Hmong-Mien 'descendant' from Austroasiatic peoples?Majuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-46392030324359929442011-09-26T03:13:46.026+02:002011-09-26T03:13:46.026+02:00"Precisely that's why the paper leaves me..."Precisely that's why the paper leaves me a bit cold: it could be wider and more detailed". <br /><br />Yes. It's time someone did some solid work on Y-hap O instead of setting out to 'prove' some political point. I cannot believe that East Austronesian O3a is basal in any way, for example. It has to be 'derived'. I'm sure it is monophyletic, similar to your idea concerning Socotran Y-hap J*.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-34334603118911334122011-09-25T10:37:50.006+02:002011-09-25T10:37:50.006+02:00Precisely that's why the paper leaves me a bit...Precisely that's why the paper leaves me a bit cold: it could be wider and more detailed.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-66993672006666004932011-09-25T04:30:01.453+02:002011-09-25T04:30:01.453+02:00By the way. I notice that the auhtors use the ...By the way. I notice that the auhtors use the 'old' nomenclature, O3a3b-M7 and O3a3c1-M117. ISOGG now calls the haplogroups as above.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-7162031581770886392011-09-25T04:25:28.110+02:002011-09-25T04:25:28.110+02:00"there it is and I'm sure that many reade..."there it is and I'm sure that many readers would be interested in knowing about it". <br /><br />Thank you. <br /><br />"This is the kind of stuff where you really get the impression of how haplogroups are distributed and why it is likely that they coalesced in the South". <br /><br />M95 is O2a1, a derived haplogroup long associated with Austro-Asiatic, Kradai and Malay, along with South Asia, so no surprises with the map. But where is O2b for us to be able to draw any valid conclusions regarding deeper origin? M7 is O3a2b, a derived haplogroup long associated with Daxi, Hmong-Mien and Mon-Kmer, and so no surprises with the map. But where are O3a2a and O3a2c for us to be able to draw any valid conclusions regarding deeper origin? M117 is at least a subclade of the latter haplogroup: O3a2c1a. A derived haplogroup long associated with Sino-Tibetan, Japan and East and SE Asia. Again no surprises with the map. How does this information indicate anything other than that these three particular derived haplogroups 'likely that they coalesced in the South'?terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.com