tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post2567890368674434437..comments2024-03-09T15:46:44.638+01:00Comments on For what they were... we are: Oldest known Iberian R1b-S116 (and DF27) is NOT at all IndoeuropeanMajuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-57218113549097561842023-12-01T00:06:51.415+01:002023-12-01T00:06:51.415+01:00zz12_1/Z46512/S4381, BY11087, CTS3919, CTS8308/y23...zz12_1/Z46512/S4381, BY11087, CTS3919, CTS8308/y23651/ft86325/s4379 Igor Salazar (vitoria) sientete libre de contactarhombre de poca fehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11996627723038013713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-29898172502834821112020-08-25T07:53:57.274+02:002020-08-25T07:53:57.274+02:00Different stuff. Different stuff. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-21613777898512853242020-08-24T06:03:13.211+02:002020-08-24T06:03:13.211+02:00Corded ware/bell beakersCorded ware/bell beakersIbanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16880158288402493978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-89281939176865065632020-06-28T14:43:34.114+02:002020-06-28T14:43:34.114+02:00Bueno pues DF27 es típico de Iberia, seguramente d...Bueno pues DF27 es típico de Iberia, seguramente dispersado hacia el sur por gente de cultura del Vaso Campaniforme y genéticamente "idéntica" a los vascos modernos (o hasta donde sabemos también los íberos antiguos). <br /><br />Más abajo no sabría analizar sin tener que investigar más pero seguramente si tienes interés en hacerlo tú con paciencia podrás averiguar algo más.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-79926615923072147392020-06-27T00:01:50.371+02:002020-06-27T00:01:50.371+02:00Mi haplogrupo es R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11...Mi haplogrupo es R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11 > DF27/S250 > ZZ12 > Z46512 > FGC78762 > ZZ19 > Z31644, como poco.<br />Esto solo con el Str111 de ftdnaIbanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16880158288402493978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-39842467920376239012019-04-06T02:26:01.900+02:002019-04-06T02:26:01.900+02:00Si, soy el mismo que comento por allá, y gracias d...Si, soy el mismo que comento por allá, y gracias de nuevo por estar aquiIbanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16880158288402493978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-54025538286095543342019-03-09T14:34:31.104+01:002019-03-09T14:34:31.104+01:00Has hecho test de DF27? Lo pregunto porque es el s...Has hecho test de DF27? Lo pregunto porque es el subhaplogrup de S116 más común en Euskal Herria e Iberia en general, básicamente la rama sur o sudoeste de S116. <br /><br />En todo caso mi opinión es que S116 se expandió desde algún lugar en aproximadamente "Francia" (Aquitania?) en tres direcciones: noroeste (subclado "irlandés"), suroeste (DF27 o subclado ibérico) y este (subclado "alpino"), aunque en todos los casos habría algo de mezcla, e incluso linajes de tipo S116*, son simplemente las tendencias principales. <br /><br />La evidencia arqueogenética se está acumulando en favor de que esta expansión ocurrió más o menos en relación con el fenómeno del Vaso Campaniforme (Bell Beaker en inglés) y que al menos en Iberia corresponde a la expansión de un tipo genético "vasco" que es la base "íbera" sobre la que se forman los actuales "españoles" tras mezcla con celtas y romanos. <br /><br />Si buscas en el blog por "R1b", "S116" o "DF27" encontrarás info algo más detallada.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-83594444256533825332019-02-25T14:22:00.586+01:002019-02-25T14:22:00.586+01:00Aupa, soy un vizcaíno con Haplogrupo Y R P312/S116...Aupa, soy un vizcaíno con Haplogrupo Y R P312/S116, y haplogrupo mt H53 (probablemte Vasco de bizkaia).<br />No he recibido mi subclado, de momento.<br />Aunque en LivingDNA me han puesto en R P312, pero sin *, que sería el basal.<br />En realidad no lo entiendo bien<br />Ibanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16880158288402493978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-52955509146286262192019-02-25T14:18:19.576+01:002019-02-25T14:18:19.576+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ibanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16880158288402493978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-53498778050577749502018-03-25T06:32:09.984+02:002018-03-25T06:32:09.984+02:00This paper is a good summary - the case for at lea...This paper is a good summary - the case for at least two distinct substrata looks very strong (here dubbed Proto-Laplandic & Proto-Lakelandic):<br /><br />https://www.sgr.fi/sust/sust266/sust266_aikio.pdf<br /><br />There's an interesting sketch of a linguistic map of the early iron age in northern Europe, with Lakelandic/Laplandic covering most of Fennoscandia based on toponymy before the arrival of Uralic from the south-east and Germanic from the south.<br /><br />Come to think of it, perhaps it was a bit speculative of me to say that those would have been the languages of the HGs since some very old off-shoots of CWC presumably also survived in Finland and parts of Lapland. But I think there's at least the possibility that those mysterious groups are responsible for the inflated HG ancestry of modern Sami.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528332333708536220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-56840756491612161862018-03-25T04:31:05.561+02:002018-03-25T04:31:05.561+02:00I was not aware: looks interesting. Do you have a ...I was not aware: looks interesting. Do you have a link?Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-85774221573989309292018-03-25T03:25:49.397+02:002018-03-25T03:25:49.397+02:00It could also be interesting in this context to co...It could also be interesting in this context to consider the latest work done by Aikio as well as others before him on northern substrate languages in Sami, which seem to have had no discernible relationship with either Indo-European or Vasconic. It would be consistent with what we know of the population genetics of modern Sami (i. e. hugely inflated HG ancestry compared to other Europeans) to consider these Paleo-Laplandic languages the languages that were spoken by least some of the 'Paleoeuropean' HGs before the arrival of the Uralics. And yeah, at least those northern HGs definitely didn't speak Vasconic, which definitely strengthens the Vasconic = Neolithic association.Markohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528332333708536220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-73884499942263630002018-03-25T01:57:39.465+01:002018-03-25T01:57:39.465+01:00In the right column (K=19) where Anatolia Neolithi...In the right column (K=19) where Anatolia Neolithic is 100% cyan (light blue), Sardinia is 80% in the very same color. In other columns it is different and Anatolia Neolithic also appears partly as red (WHG, which it also appears in some studies specifically about that original group). And you should not only look at Anatolia but also at the other, slightly more HG-admixed group of Central Europe, and also Iberia EN/MN, Ötzi (in other studies), etc. <br /><br />Basque and Spanish (modern or even ancient but at later times) have indeed more red. And it is an open issue that process of admixture and what role played Atlantic Europe (and IMO what is now Western France maybe critically) in it. But that does not erase the cyan component: it just weakens it a bit. <br /><br />All four colums are equally true internally, at least as far as statistical analysis can tell and for a global analysis, so there is indeed some uncertainty. But when faced with such a "fuzzy logic" a good idea is usually to take the middle path, so let's take K=18 (because K=16 and K=17 are almost identical, the difference seems to be in other parts of the World). In that column and gauging by eye, I get:<br /><br />Anatolian Neol. 90% cyan, 10% red<br /><br />LBK 85% cyan, 15% red (so basically they advanced by the Morava-Danube route with nearly no admixture)<br /><br />Iberia North EN, 80% cyan, 20% red (so a bit more admixture but still not much)<br /><br />Iberia North LNCA, 60% cyan, 40% red (this is probably when the "Atlantic Shift" begins, but it's still 2/3 Aegean Neolithic-like)<br /><br />Iberia North BA 50%-50%<br /><br />Modern Basques: 30% cyan, 70% red. <br /><br />Modern Sardinians: 60% cyan, 40% red.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Modern Mexicans are like 50% Spanish and 50% Native, what do most of them speak: Spanish or a Native language? Sure there is admixture and I do see it and also argue for it as originating and expanding from Atlantic Europe (it seems but we need more evidence from places like France, Denmark, etc.) But still Sardinians are at best like LNCA Iberians... with some luck. <br /><br />In any case you should read many other studies. This is just one. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-66330429735402952332018-03-24T20:07:57.927+01:002018-03-24T20:07:57.927+01:00Sorry, but I cannot see that claim about early Neo...Sorry, but I cannot see that claim about early Neolithic people.<br />Anatolian, according to your graph, is mostly light blue = Neolithic<br />Sardinian is half blue and half red = Paleo-European with admixture of Neolithic. <br />Basque and Spanish have even more red = Paleo-European.<br />I see nothing in your graph that disproves my approach.France_LGChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08169145428521942518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-80226201908616255602018-03-24T14:23:43.101+01:002018-03-24T14:23:43.101+01:00It's very difficult to follow your terminology...It's very difficult to follow your terminology France-LGC, let alone why you would think many of the ideas you sustain (for instance the Kurgan model and the linguistic "consensus" on PIE's antiquity are very much coincident), but what I most clearly have to disagree with is with this:<br /><br />"Pre-Sardinian also belongs to that Paleo-European (Pre-PIE) and Pre-Neolithic group."<br /><br />If so how is it that they systematically get all early NEOLITHIC peoples closely aligned with them in terms genetic? It's like saying that US-Americans have nothing to do with Europe, when most of their genetics do. Sorry, no way!<br /><br />I used some time ago to be also in the Paleolithic continuity camp but that cannot be sustained anymore on light of the archaeogenetic evidence. So if the facts don't fit your theory, you have two options: going fanatic and deny the facts or being humble and change your theories according to what facts say. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-58711454648793410662018-03-24T07:12:44.058+01:002018-03-24T07:12:44.058+01:00My opinion is twofold:
1. PIE cannot be as late as...My opinion is twofold:<br />1. PIE cannot be as late as the Kurgan theory. Besides, there's no indication that PIE was of Neolithic dating in the first place. Most of the "evidence" is highly debatable.<br />2. It's quite possible that the Paleo-European substrates, that existed in Northern Europe (Pre-Germanic), in the British Isles (Pre-Irish), in Spain and in Greece belong to a single linguistic family. This is very easy to prove, because this requires quite a lot of work. But there are quite interesting indications in that direction.<br />I think Basque and its ancestors have been there for millennias, maybe as early as modern man reached there.<br />And, yes, Pre-Sardinian also belongs to that Paleo-European (Pre-PIE) and Pre-Neolithic group.France_LGChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08169145428521942518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-5654026100002411592018-03-19T13:01:05.929+01:002018-03-19T13:01:05.929+01:00This sample is ancestral to the survived haplogrou...This sample is ancestral to the survived haplogroups so far, and present only in Iberia and Southern America, because it is positive only for three of the five SNPs at this level:<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-14603177-<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-22255193+<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-2740865-<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-BY15964+<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-BY15965+Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-13070935266355712532018-03-19T12:17:10.230+01:002018-03-19T12:17:10.230+01:00R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF41-Z43690-Y8426-A4...R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF41-Z43690-Y8426-A40-BY281-BY283<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF49-FGC11210-7434451-15626354<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF49-Z2980-Z2976-DF23-Z2961-M222-DF106-DF104-DF105-DF85-S673-S668-DF97-ZZ36-FGC19851-BY3346-FGC19846-FGC19840-FGC19856<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF49-Z2980-Z2976-DF23-Z2961-M222-DF106-DF104-DF105-FGC4108-S603-BY3347-24274479-S590-S595-19193611<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF49-Z2980-Z2976-DF23-Z2961-M222-DF106-DF104-DF105-ZS8379-BY11707-A11391-BY11708<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF49-Z2980-Z2976-DF23-ZP112-6166751-8082049<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF49-Z2980-Z2976-DF23-ZP112-6166751-9521193<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-L1335-L1065-Z16325-S744-CTS4931-FGC21480-A2118-A5909-A5908-A5908<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-L371-FGC10072/Y14500<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-S1026-A1101-A1078-A1097<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-Z251-FGC13899-A228-A241-CTS9686-A237-M6346-A239-A239<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-MC14-Y16773-Y16765<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-Z253-Z2534-22280136-L226-FGC5660-Z17669-ZZ31-FGC5628-FGC5659-ZZ34-DC33-22427459-Y5610-DC1-DC1/Y5609<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-Z253-Z2534-22280136-L226-FGC5660-Z17669-ZZ31-FGC5628-FGC5659-ZZ34-FGC5647-FGC498<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-Z253-Z2534-ZZ5-Z2185-A7037-S884-BY11911-BY11901-BY11913<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-Z195-Z198-ZS312-BY3255-6135259-8694945-Y19544<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-Z195-Z198-ZS312-Z262-M167-Z264-Z205-22224168-Z206-Z208-Z207-CTS9762-CTS4299-BY3258-2887499-BY12116<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-Z195-Z198-ZS312-Z262-M167-Z264-Z205-CTS606-CTS5337-CTS3555-Z29713-14562439-7188866-14221103<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-Z195-Z272-Z272<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-Z195-Z272-S450-Z295-22269996-7010864-BY13466<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-Z195-Z272-S450-ZZ40-S21184-S19290-22231460-ZZ74-ZZ75-7792887-23272129<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-A6387-Y17221-BY11967-8719872<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-FGC20747-FGC20764-FGC20767-FGC20770-27636437-Y17780-Y17446-2887959-A11389<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-Z2552-DF81-Z2553-Y7354/FGC21122<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ19-Z31644-Z42772-22304752-FGC17112-<br />FGC17099-FGC17110/Y6213<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ19-Z31644-Z42772-Z37492-6650231-22117264-22117264<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ19-Z34609-7811558-21925781<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ39-Z229-Y16018-6720047-7108031<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-BY2895-20798734<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z367-L20-L20/S144<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z367-L20-S3856-25274658-FGC17199-FGC17185-Y12494/FGC17186<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z367-L20-S3856-S1505-BY3579-BY3555-FGC41782<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z367-Z34-Y21284-Y21288/FGC46765<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z41150-Z49-10023952-S8183-Y4356-Y4354-Y4355-FGC20800-FGC20775-FGC20782/Y14138<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z41150-Z49-Z142-FGC22963-FGC22940-FGC22942-6859970-Y19333<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-L2-Z41150-Z49-Z142-Z150-CTS9490-S7404-14429916-7356566-Y20348/FGC46201<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-Y22447-Y22450-Y22456/FGC43783<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-Z193-Z192-BY10448-PF6656-BY10444-23484091<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-Z193-Z40483-FGC30121-FGC30144<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-ZZ45-Z36-CTS5531-Z54-Z29491-PF7626<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-ZZ45-Z36-FGC6417-Y3577/FGC6418<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-U152-ZZ45-Z36-Y16889-Y16885-A8033-Y19410-Y19411<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ37-L624-Z30600-Z39302-A9440-A9434-A9443<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-Z253-Z2534-ZZ5-Z2185-Z2186-L1066-2727886-9065052<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-Z253-ZZ6-7954138-Z12375<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-ZZ10-Z255-Z16434-Z18134-Z18135<br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-81129994018459124812018-03-19T12:17:01.202+01:002018-03-19T12:17:01.202+01:00The calls show that ESP005 belonged to Y haplogrou...The calls show that ESP005 belonged to Y haplogroup R1b1a1a2a1a2a-BY15964.<br />R1b-P312-P312/S116/PF6547<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-Z40481<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-Z38841<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-DF27/S250<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-22255193<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-BY15964<br />R1b-P312-Z40481-ZZ11-DF27-ZZ12-ZZ51-BY15964-BY15965<br /><br />Private SNPs:<br />Even though these SNPs (only downstream P312) won’t be all reliable, because from Ytree rather than the most rigorous YFull tree, who may believe that hg. R-L27 is only 4500 years old as to YFull?<br />R1b-P312-BY25512-14882167<br />R1b-P312-DF19-DF88-FGC11833-Z17110-S4281<br />R1b-P312-L238-Z2245-Z2247-CTS11638-Y11663-Y10824-FGC24543<br />R1b-P312-Z290-BY22760-22478445<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-BY2899-22477211<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-DF21-FGC3213-Z16532-Z16526-L362-ZS4606-ZS4606<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-DF21-S5488-BY518-S7200-S6003-BY11377-9966610<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-DF21-S971-Z16267-Z3000-Z3006-S959/Z3006<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-DF21-Z30233-FGC3903-S5199-Z246-DF25-DF5-ZZ32-L1403-A5409-BY3455-25007813<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC11134-A353-Z16250-A114-CTS4466-S1115-A541-S1121-Z16251-A159-Z17981-Z3006-S959/Z3006<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC11134-ZZ44-A9871-BY9001-BY9002-BY12236<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC5494-FGC5561-A7268-A7256-A7254-A7258/BY2942<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC5494-FGC5561-BY7804-BY11581-14872301-17180118<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC5494-FGC5561-FGC7448-FGC5496-FGC5521-Y18844-Y18846-FGC43417-8414679-FGC43423<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC5494-FGC5561-Z16503-8338910-FGC24543<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC5494-FGC5561-Z16503-Z16502-A7537-A7557<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-FGC5494-Y15901-Y9089-20668566<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-L513-S5668-Z16340-BY4148-BY4165/Y21316<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-L513-S5668-Z16340-FGC9807-FGC9795-FGC9811<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-L513-S5668-Z16357-Z16343-Z16349<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-L513-S5668-Z16357-Z16343-Z16854-22369484<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-L513-S6365-Z16361-CTS750-FGC13411-FGC32363-BY390-BY393<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF41-FGC13023-FGC13023<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF41-FGC8621-Z17585-FGC8616<br />R1b-P312-Z290-L21-DF13-Z39589-DF41-FGC8621-Z17585-FGC8627<br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-7594417958636503932018-03-19T12:02:37.669+01:002018-03-19T12:02:37.669+01:00And also massively growing evidence in support of ...And also massively growing evidence in support of mainline Neolithic = Vasconic. The strongest evidence seems to me the discovery of eteo-Sardinian (also called "paleo-Sardinian") being clearly Vasconic, what is nearly impossible to explain unless we accept that the mainline early European farmers or people of the Neolithic of Aegean roots were Vasconic or proto-Vasconic speakers, because modern Sardinians almost identical to them.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-37384240730409276452018-03-19T11:59:52.590+01:002018-03-19T11:59:52.590+01:00You're going totally against the tide, a tide ...You're going totally against the tide, a tide of massively growing evidence in support of the Kurgan model of Indoeuropean expansion, which was always the only robust model anyhow. But whatever...Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-14465727551823193392018-03-19T10:55:35.538+01:002018-03-19T10:55:35.538+01:00I'm afraid I have to disagree with your labels...I'm afraid I have to disagree with your labels.<br />Paleo-European in red is the same thing as Vasconic.<br />What you labeled Neolithic in light blue is obviously Indo-European.<br />I seriously disagree with the idea that Basque would have anything to do with the expansion of Neolithic.France_LGChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08169145428521942518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-35202661019640296722018-03-19T10:43:03.298+01:002018-03-19T10:43:03.298+01:00The R-DF27 sample is at this level: R1b1a2-BY15964...The R-DF27 sample is at this level: R1b1a2-BY15964<br /><br />R-Y24895 BY15964/Y32225 * Y24894 * Y24895+3 SNPs formed 4500 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp<br />o id:YF08869PRT [PT-20]<br />o id:YF07103GBR<br />o id:YF06232MEX [MX-NLE]<br /><br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-10565976665437371802018-03-19T10:14:04.151+01:002018-03-19T10:14:04.151+01:00The calls show that PIR001 belonged to Y haplogrou...The calls show that PIR001 belonged to Y haplogroup R1b1a1a2a~L23.<br />R1b-PF6270<br />R1b-L506/PF6267<br />R1b-PF6250/V1980<br />R1b-PF6272<br />R1b-PF6243<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-PF6506<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-Y417<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-L585/PF6499<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-YSC0000225/PF6505/L1350<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L1353/YSC0000294/PF6489/V3866<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-CTS10834<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-PF6503<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-PF6430<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-M269/PF6517<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-YSC0000238/PF6521/L1348<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-CTS3475/PF6456/V2713<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-CTS8336/PF6474/FGC48<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L482/PF6427<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-PF5462<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-PF6412<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L777/YSC0000248<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-PF6404<br /><br />Private SNPs<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-U106-S263-S264-Y18100-A16289-BY17916-Y34346<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-U106-S263-S499-L48-L47-Z4713/S1933<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-U106-S263-S499-L48-Z9-Z331-Z330-Z326-S3565-CTS6430/S3979<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-DF19-Z302-Y23278-Z26497/Z35686<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-L238-Z2245-CTS11638-Y10824-Y10827-Y10828<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-L238-Z2245-CTS11638-Y10824-Y10827-SFL1-BY4665-BY4666<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-U152-Y22161-Y22172<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-U152-Z192-CTS10676-CTS3866<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-U152-Z192-PF6656-PF6693-BY6661-BY6638-BY6663<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-U152-L2-Z367-L20-Z1909-Y6789-Y15103-Y15106<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-DF27-Y24895-BY15965/Y32224<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-DF27-Z195-Z198-Z292-Y16881-CTS11486<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-DF27-Z195-Z198-Z292-Z262-Z201-Z202-Z205-Z206-Z208-Z207-CTS9762-CTS9762<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-DF27-Z195-Z272-Z209-Z295-S1221-FGC23196-Y13211-Y14502/FGC23183<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-A5846-Y16251-Y18454-A5850<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-Z255-L159.2-Y16467-Y12458-Y13226-A5411-Y22342-Y22342<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-Z251-Y7624-A228-A244<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-DF1-S5668-FGC13499-S5979-S5982-Y11637/Z16332<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-Z253-Y13500-FGC17448/Y13499<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-L1335-Z16325-S744-S691-Y22159-A850<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-DF21-Z16532-Y34280-Y34478<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-DF21-Y2890-Z246-DF25-DF5-Y9367-BY11436-BY9596<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-DF21-S5488-S7200-BY11111-BY11111<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-DF21-S5488-S7200-BY11111-Z16311<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-L51-L151-P312-S461-L21-DF13-DF21-S5488-S7200-S6000-BY11119-FGC43487Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-35124975363942196882018-03-19T08:16:51.547+01:002018-03-19T08:16:51.547+01:00The calls show that PIR001 belonged to Y haplogrou...The calls show that PIR001 belonged to Y haplogroup R1b1a1a2a~L23.<br />R1b-L278-L754-L389-P297-M269-L23-PF6404<br /><br />Ahahahaah the first R-L23* found in Iberia [<br />PIR001 Bronze Age 2200–1550<br />] and not in Eastern Europe<br />I’ll study the question later, after bath and breakfast.<br />Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.com