tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post2012452634344214866..comments2024-03-09T15:46:44.638+01:00Comments on For what they were... we are: Sicilian haploid genetics in the Mediterranean contextMajuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-64531689536577529802022-03-19T03:40:11.171+01:002022-03-19T03:40:11.171+01:00Hello Francesco. Your Y-DNA may be Jewish-related ...Hello Francesco. Your Y-DNA may be Jewish-related or not, cannot speak for certain without seeing your Y-DNA results and matches. You can join my FTDNA project for me to examine your results, here is its link (my email address can be seen by moving the cursor to the mail icon next to my name on the left): https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/anatol-balkan-caucas/aboutOnur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-31122660905154808182022-03-16T13:12:41.673+01:002022-03-16T13:12:41.673+01:00Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are ...Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are you saying that my ancestor would have been Jewish? It would be helpful to ask you more about your project and if you have an email please let me know how to get in touch. Yours, FrancescoA Classicisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650596741531403599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-14003938910003992372022-03-16T13:12:09.490+01:002022-03-16T13:12:09.490+01:00Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are ...Hello, A Classicist here. Thank you for this. Are you saying that my ancestor would have been Jewish? It would be helpful to ask you more about your project and if you have an email please let me know how to get in touch. Yours, FrancescoA Classicisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650596741531403599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-28616354858977651142021-11-28T07:22:41.539+01:002021-11-28T07:22:41.539+01:00There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result...There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result in my FTDNA Anatolia-Balkans-Caucasus DNA Project with over 650 members with a Y-DNA result, and no R2 (xM124) result. Of these three R2a members, one is Anatolian Turk, one is Anatolian Greek and one is Mizrahi Jew from Iraq/Iran by known direct paternal ancestry. <br /><br />The Anatolian Greek and the Anatolian Turk have no Y-DNA matches whereas the Mizrahi Jew has lots of Y-DNA matches (all 12-marker Y-STR matches since he has only taken a 12-marker Y-STR test at FTDNA), most of whom are Ashkenazi Jews but among whom there are some Mizrahi Jews as well. Obviously the high number of Ashkenazi Y-DNA matches is due to too many Ashkenazi Jews taking tests, but their existence among the Y-DNA matches of a Mizrahi Jew and their total non-existence among the Y-DNA matches of an Anatolian Greek and an Anatolian Turk is indicative of some Jewish-specific deep Y-DNA connections. <br /><br />The fact that R2a exists not just in an Anatolian Turk but also in an Anatolian Greek points to the long existence of R2a in Anatolia, even if as a rare Y-DNA haplogroup. R2a is rare in West Asia in general anyway. <br /><br />I think A Classicist's R2a indeed came from West Asia. Could be Anatolian-related, Jewish-related or some other West Asian-related, his Y-DNA matches can inform us on that. If he has already taken a Y-DNA test at FTDNA, he can see his Y-DNA matches at various levels of resolution. If he has not, I suggest him such a test right now while there is still a Black Friday sale at FTDNA at the moment (November 30 is the last day of the sale). A Big Y test would be the most informative by far.<br /><br />Finally, since my FTDNA project is not focused on the parts of West Asia outside the territories of Turkey, Cyprus and the South Caucasus, the parts of West Asia outside these three regions are not well-represented in my project. So a Mizrahi Jewish member with origins from Iraq/Iran with a R2a result is remarkable for my project.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-77509446209330370802021-11-28T07:21:49.712+01:002021-11-28T07:21:49.712+01:00There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result...There are three members with a R2a (R-M124) result in my FTDNA Anatolia-Balkans-Caucasus DNA Project with over 650 members with a Y-DNA result, and no R2 (xM124) result. Of these three R2a members, one is Anatolian Turk, one is Anatolian Greek and one is Mizrahi Jew from Iraq/Iran by known direct paternal ancestry. <br /><br />The Anatolian Greek and the Anatolian Turk have no Y-DNA matches whereas the Mizrahi Jew has lots of Y-DNA matches (all 12-marker Y-STR matches since he has only taken a 12-marker Y-STR test at FTDNA), most of whom are Ashkenazi Jews but among whom there are some Mizrahi Jews as well. Obviously the high number of Ashkenazi Y-DNA matches is due to too many Ashkenazi Jews taking tests, but their existence among the Y-DNA matches of a Mizrahi Jew and their total non-existence among the Y-DNA matches of an Anatolian Greek and an Anatolian Turk is indicative of some Jewish-specific deep Y-DNA connections. <br /><br />The fact that R2a exists not just in an Anatolian Turk but also in an Anatolian Greek points to the long existence of R2a in Anatolia, even if as a rare Y-DNA haplogroup. R2a is rare in West Asia in general anyway. <br /><br />I think A Classicist's R2a indeed came from West Asia. Could be Anatolian-related, Jewish-related or some other West Asian-related, his Y-DNA matches can inform us on that. If he has already taken a Y-DNA test at FTDNA, he can see his Y-DNA matches at various levels of resolution. If he has not, I suggest him such a test right now while there is still a Black Friday sale at FTDNA at the moment (November 30 is the last day of the sale). A Big Y test would be the most informative by far.<br /><br />Finally, since my FTDNA project is not focused on the parts of West Asia outside the territories of Turkey, Cyprus and the South Caucasus, the parts of West Asia outside these three regions are not well-represented in my project. So a Mizrahi Jewish member with origins from Iraq/Iran with a R2a result is remarkable for my project.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-60544158643294822072021-11-28T04:22:52.636+01:002021-11-28T04:22:52.636+01:00(Extension)
My best guess is that:
1. K2b and P ...(Extension)<br /><br />My best guess is that:<br /><br />1. K2b and P (SE Asia) c. 70 Ka BP<br />2. P1 (Bengal-Bihar) c. 60 Ka BP<br />3. R1, R2 and Q in NW India, Iran and Southern Central Asia c. 50 Ka BP<br /><br />There's no indication that R2 was at all present in the mainstream (Vasconic) Neolithic of Anatolian roots, so it probably arrived later, either with the Pelasgo-Tyrsenians (whose main marker in Europe is J2, although West of the Alps it means Roman colonization rather) or the Indoeuropeans (whose main marker in Europe west of the Dniepr is R1a). The presence of R2a in the Caucasus and among Western Jews (of Hellenistic Cypriot or Anatolian origin) suggests these two possible roads Westwards for the haplogroup. It could of course be a Jewish marker although it's not the most common one anyhow (E1b, G2, J2 and J1 are the usual ones). <br /><br />Honestly I don't think you can really pinpoint a genealogical origin unless you find close matches, i.e. distant "cousins" by the same patrlineage. Sicily has been in many hands, not just in antiquity but also in the Middle Ages, would it be an issue of "most people" but being a rare lineage it could really come from anywhere (although the compass points to the East: to Asia Minor, the Caucasus or generally West Asia). Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-55340619424692494462021-11-28T04:11:11.094+01:002021-11-28T04:11:11.094+01:00I'll quote from Wikipedia (because right now I...I'll quote from Wikipedia (because right now I don't have anything better to say): "Haplogroup R2a (R-M124) is characterized by SNPs M124, F820/Page4, L381, P249,[1] and is mainly found in South Asia, with lower frequencies in Central Asia and the Caucasus.[citation needed] R-M124 is also found in multiple Jewish populations: Iraqi Jews, Persian Jews, Mountain Jews, and Ashkenazi Jews.[3]"<br /><br />Also earlier: "Most research has tested only for the presence of R-M479 (R2) and R-M124 (R2a)" (...) "In addition, relatively little research has been done within South Asia, which is known to have the greatest concentration of R2". <br /><br />So I guess R2a may have a more westerly distribution than generic R2 but still the main area is India (subcontinent). Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-88089830655995963262021-11-23T17:56:05.165+01:002021-11-23T17:56:05.165+01:00From what I have seen via websites My R2a formed i...From what I have seen via websites My R2a formed in out Iran around 5 bce, the closest sample to it is a 1000 AD Viking (British autosomal buried in Iceland). Further at low but significant levels R2 is found closer to where it originated among Kurds and Armenians. His is the closest related subclade. I guess that what I wonder is: could it be something that arrived in Sicily in very remote times? Or should I exclude it given that there are no other R2 ever noted in Sicily? If it is recent do you think I should focus my genealogical research on the early medieval period and think of slaves or hellenised persians migrants etc.? Or could have entered Sicily earlier? (perhaps with the Alans, an Indo Iranic group that would have had R2 haplotypes?) in other words and more simply, given how rare it is, should I suppose it entered in Sicily in the last 1000 years? Thanks again!A Classicisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650596741531403599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-60417951743836755702021-11-23T15:14:40.232+01:002021-11-23T15:14:40.232+01:00Not sure if there's been something new on R2 i...Not sure if there's been something new on R2 in the last few years but in principle it is a South Asian (Indian) specific haplogroup, hence it seems that your patrilineal ancestors have more exotic origins than usual. <br /><br />MtDNA X2 on the other hand is very specifically West Eurasian (in Europe only since Neolithic (also present in Native Americans via Siberia but not relevant here).<br /><br />Not sure how to gauge the autosomal DNA composition nor the pigmentation details. Red hair is scattered through many populations (although it only really manifests in low pigmentation types I believe, there are IMO "genetic red hairs" with black or brown hair, and that you may notice in reddish hues in the skin, while "genetic blonds" are more yellowish instead), it is true that it is most common towards NW Europe (peaking in Scotland) but it's a very distributed trait anyhow. <br /><br />You may be just an example of not all Mediterraneans being brunet and tanning easily. Some of the most famous classical Greek characters like Pyrrhus of Epirus (or Pyrrhic victory "fame", who was indeed campaigning in Sicily too) or the more legendary Achilles had red hair, so it's not that uncommon (and almost certainly you need to be pale-ish to show strong red hair, slightly darker skin people would show either auburn or just black-brown shades typically, it's not too well researched anyhow). Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-58998576045565691522021-11-23T11:44:09.258+01:002021-11-23T11:44:09.258+01:00Hello, my Y haplogroup is R2a, and my paternal fam...Hello, my Y haplogroup is R2a, and my paternal family comes from Syracuse’s province. I know of all my ancestors, all from that village, up to 1720. My mother is X2 and her family is from the province of Enna. <br />My dna results 38% north Turkish 12% South Caucasus 4% Spain 7% Tuscany 8% Levant and the rest south Italy. Also, my family has been characterised by red hair and very fair skin since we know of. What do you make of these results? And especially when do you think the R2a was introduced to Sicily?A Classicisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650596741531403599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-41070900442578653712020-10-08T19:02:10.195+02:002020-10-08T19:02:10.195+02:00(continued from above)
At least two of these may ...(continued from above)<br /><br />At least two of these may have ended in Italy in the struggles around 1100-1000 BCE with the invading Indoeuropeans (mostly Italics, maybe some Celts too) of the Urnfields culture. One are the quite famous Etruscans (or at least their elites), who can be identified with the Teresh (Tauresi, Tyrsenoi, tu-Rassena in Etruscan probably, where "tu", later "ty", would be the article "the". These were probably originally a epi-Trojan pre-Indoeuropean population of the area south of the Marmara Sea or something like that. <br /><br />And then there is the Shekelesh, these are almost certainly Semitic because they were circumcised (a detail the Egyptians paid a lot of attention to when dealing with foreign enemies in rather cruel ways) and also because "shekel" is a weight unit and a historical coin of the Levant (akin to Western "pound"). So it's possible that "Shekelesh" means something like "mercenaries" or "pirates". Where exactly did they originate at? Unsure, I speculate that they might be very roughly proto-Phoenicians, based in islands like Arwad (insert big question mark), in the disputed areas between the Hittite and Egyptian empires around the Lebanese-Syrian border by the coast. In any case, they probably migrated to Italy with the Etruscans, either on their own accord or invited by some of the warrying parties like the Sherden and Weshesh, and carved their niches there: the Etruscans in central-north Italy and the Shekelesh in Sicily. Some Italian guy told me that he believed that the Shekleshe were first in the area of Southern Lazio but were expelled from them by the Italics (would-be Latins) but I haven't been able to confirm this detail. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-60484374712937891512020-10-08T19:01:29.638+02:002020-10-08T19:01:29.638+02:00X2 is not that rare: it is one of the various mtDN...X2 is not that rare: it is one of the various mtDNA haplogroups that arrived to Europe from West Asia with the Neolithic (or also later migrations maybe). Actually everything that is not U or HV seems to have arrived to Europe with the Neolithic (and maybe also some subclades of U and HV). <br /><br />Where do Siracusans or in general Sicilians come from? Surely there is some Greek ancestry in the areas of the historical Greek colonies like Siracusa (Syracuse in English), there's hardly any denial about that but in the last years I have become persuaded that there was a major demographic impact in the Bronze-Iron Age transition period (around 1000 BCE) originating in the area of Lebanon-Syria approx. This would be the "Sea People" known as the Shekelesh, often associated to Sicily (and the historical tribes Sicels and Siculi that gave the island its name) but in obscure and speculative ways.<br /><br />The issue is that (in autosomal or "general" DNA) Sicilians (and Maltese) diverge from the general European genetic pattern quite a bit, tending a lot towards the Levant, they are the more Oriental tending of all European peoples save Jews, more than Greeks even. And they don't tend neatly towards Turkey or the Caucasus, as Greeks or others may do, but towards further South, towards roughly Lebanon-Syria. Can it be the Muslim conquest? Nope, that would make Sicilians tend to Tunisia or Saudi Arabia instead and it does not happen. Can it be the Phoenician colonization? Nope because they only really controlled the Western part of the island. Could it be a legacy of Roman slave plantations? Probably not because slaves came all over the place and there's no especial reason why they would come from Syria of all places. <br /><br />So this brings us to a most obscure period of European and Mediterraenan Prehistory: the Late Bronze Age collapse and the Sea Peoples, the name of various coalitions of IMO mostly Aegean peoples, including the Mycenaean Greeks (called Ekwesh first, Denesh later) that ravaged the Eastern Mediterranean on several occasions around 1200 BCE. One of those peoples were the Sherden, very clearly Nuraghic Sardinians, another one, the most obscure Weshesh, I tend to identify with pre-Indoeuropean South Italian Ausones, who are archaeologically documented to have made piracy against Greece at the very least, these are the only two I think are aboriginal Italian, the rest are either Berbers (Meswesh, Libu) or from further East (most). <br /><br />(continues below)Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-38310959642529389342020-10-08T18:25:37.359+02:002020-10-08T18:25:37.359+02:00Sorry for the very belated reply, I did not notice...Sorry for the very belated reply, I did not notice your comment until now. L2b has some presence in North Africa: https://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2015/11/algerian-complex-genetics.htmlMajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2140904165483408652020-10-07T17:30:13.238+02:002020-10-07T17:30:13.238+02:00I do not know my paternal DNA (my dad passed away ...I do not know my paternal DNA (my dad passed away a long time ago) however my maternal one is X2 (I looked it up and it seems rare). In any event I am 100% Sicilian from the province of Siracusa. When a few years ago I did the DNA testing like a lot of other people, I got different results from three organizations. So, where do the people from the province of Siracusa come from?<br />I always thought we were mostly of greek ancestry. Now I am not sureAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793193960167095372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-24545817670406481072017-10-17T00:12:43.294+02:002017-10-17T00:12:43.294+02:00Thank you for your insight!!Thank you for your insight!!moledad222https://www.blogger.com/profile/04231553160256836845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-67647334212792229622017-10-15T23:26:45.526+02:002017-10-15T23:26:45.526+02:00Sicilians and Maltese have an unusual genetic (aut...Sicilians and Maltese have an unusual genetic (autosomal) affinity to the Middle East for Europeans, even greater than Greeks. This can't be explained by any historical nor known prehistorical event, unless it is my pet theory, I understand. My theory is as follows:<br /><br />1. The Shekelesh were one of the "Sea Peoples". We know from the Egyptian records that they were circumcised, hence most likely Semitic. Shekelesh also reminds to shekel, the old Semitic "pound" (both weight and coin) so they might be a group of mercenaries (speculative) or maybe traders (proto-phoenicians?)<br /><br />2. Because in that period, at the very end of the 2nd millennium, the Italics (Latins, Samnites, etc.) were invading Central and South Italy, I speculate that the Sherden (Sardinians) and the Teresh (Tauresi, Trojans?, Tyrsenoi = Etruscans) may have formed an alliance to fight against them. The Etruscans managed to keep their niche but it is know (or so I've heard) that the Sicels were expelled from Central Italy and had to settle Sicily and Calabria. <br /><br />So this would be, in my theory at least, the reason why Sicilians are quite more West Asian than they should by geography. <br /><br />However I know of no particular affinity to North Africa, so your c. 10% North African is peculiar of your individual ancestry, most likely. If it'd come from a single person, it'd be your maternal great-grandmother (judging from the mtDNA lineage and that each great-grandparent contributes approx. 12.5% of the ancestry, exact amount will vary) Alternatively it may be some North African ancestry that runs in your great-granny's home town or home district, which may have originated with the Phoenicians, the Arabs or some other historical accident. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-55552472055398693472017-10-15T23:14:37.038+02:002017-10-15T23:14:37.038+02:00For what I can gather right now L2b (unspecified s...For what I can gather right now L2b (unspecified subclades) would seem to be from North Africa (or further south, but guess less likely). It is relatively common in Algeria, particularly in the district of Zenata (Tlemcen province): <br /><br />http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2015/11/algerian-complex-genetics.html<br /><br />Specifically L2b1, I can only find in my references at Puerto Rico: it arose in a conversation about possible Guanche (Canarian Berber) ancestry for the inhabitants of that island, in this blog and thread: <br /><br />http://geneacanaria.blogspot.com/2013/12/desde-la-lejania-una-aventura-del.html<br /><br />The discussion is in Spanish but I guess you can figure out, as do most Italians.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-33120211614008832462017-10-15T17:38:06.174+02:002017-10-15T17:38:06.174+02:00I recently took a DNA test through 23&me. I am...I recently took a DNA test through 23&me. I am 100% Sicilian, both parents are from Palermo. My maternal haplogroup is: L2b1a. How normal is this? From the research that I have done, I have found no one else of Sicilian ethnicity to have share this haplogroup with. I understand that it is predominately found in West Africa. Any ideas as to how it could have ended up in Sicily? Also, my Middle Eastern/ North Africa score is 25% (14.8% ME/ 10% NA). Using the Eurogenes k13 calculator puts me at 33% eastern med. It also shows 14% West Asian and 6% Red Sea. Thank you!moledad222https://www.blogger.com/profile/04231553160256836845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-20469297528556216122017-10-15T17:37:45.896+02:002017-10-15T17:37:45.896+02:00Hello,
I recently took a DNA test through 23&...Hello,<br /><br />I recently took a DNA test through 23&me. I am 100% Sicilian, both parents are from Palermo. My maternal haplogroup is: L2b1a. How normal is this? From the research that I have done, I have found no one else of Sicilian ethnicity to share this haplogroup with. I understand that it is predominately found in West Africa. Any ideas as to how it could have ended up in Sicily? Also, my Middle Eastern/ North Africa score is 25% (14.8% ME/ 10% NA). Using the Eurogenes k13 calculator puts me at 33% eastern med. It also shows 14% West Asian and 6% Red Sea. Could it point to a rather recent ancestor from these regions of the world? Thank you.moledad222https://www.blogger.com/profile/04231553160256836845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-41503364385878684712017-02-07T06:46:13.523+01:002017-02-07T06:46:13.523+01:00If Remedello carried it, then maybe the most simpl...If Remedello carried it, then maybe the most simple explanation is that your matrilineage has been in Italy "all the time", since Neolithic or so, right? It's impossible to know such things for a fact, maybe some day we'll get a good collection of ancient Sicilian DNA that helps but until then... Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-36270595023661746542017-02-06T18:03:13.309+01:002017-02-06T18:03:13.309+01:00February 2017,came back on this page. So J1c1 mtn ...February 2017,came back on this page. So J1c1 mtn in Sicily, no one have an "explanation "<br />If remedello had the same, remains found near Piemonte, can't help?Giuseppinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546990980924839854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-30023157155773997672016-07-14T01:40:13.237+02:002016-07-14T01:40:13.237+02:00PD- About my theory on Shekelesh, "si no é ve...PD- About my theory on Shekelesh, "si no é vero, é ben trovatto". Non lo so. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-30820175197228465052016-07-14T01:39:24.255+02:002016-07-14T01:39:24.255+02:00What we know from this study is that J1 (in genera...What we know from this study is that J1 (in general) makes up about 5% of Sicilian genetics. So in principle it should not be a rare lineage. <br /><br />Something that is plausible about J1 is that it probably arrived in connection with Phoenicians or Arabs. But we cannot say with 100% certainty, as some J1 also exists in the NE Mediterranean, so it could also be Greek, etc. (but less likely).<br /><br />I've been as of late caressing the idea of ancient Siculi/Sicels being a Semitic people, the Shekelesh of the Sea Peoples' narrations, who may have arrived in Italy together with the Etruscans (Teresh = Tyrsenians) and maybe "invited" or "incited" by the Sardinians (Shardana or Sherden) to fight against the invading Indoeuropeans (Italics, proto-Latins included) who were then advancing from the North. After being defeated in mainland Italy, probably in Latium itself, they settled Sicily and Calabria. This could be another way for J1 lineages to have arrived to Sicily and Italy in general but it's a tad more hypothetical, as we're dealing with reconstructed proto-history. <br /><br />In any case my theory is based on the fact that the Shekelesh are described as "circumcised" (as Israelites and other Semites) but not like Teresh (Trojans/Dardani quite plausibly) and other Euro-Asian peoples of the North. The name Shekelesh might mean "mercenaries", as "shekhel" is an old weight measure and later coin in the West Asian area. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-25752914256019714352016-07-13T00:16:42.122+02:002016-07-13T00:16:42.122+02:00My mtn Dna is j1 c1. Am 100%sicilian, and I now th...My mtn Dna is j1 c1. Am 100%sicilian, and I now the names of my ancestor<br />Since 1740 . I know remenello remains find neat the Po river had the same<br />Mtn dna I'm from agrigento area. Very intrigued about j1c1... Is that easily found in Sicily?Giuseppinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546990980924839854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023805782808412230.post-2692798564773041512015-09-02T21:02:40.805+02:002015-09-02T21:02:40.805+02:00Peter I don't know why you speak about Arabic ...Peter I don't know why you speak about Arabic admixture since the Genetics show that the J1 in Sicily and South Italy founded in that study is older than the short muslim dominion.<br /><br />Look at that: "However, for the types found in Sicily and in the South it was calculated age of 3261 years ± 1345 corresponding to the end of the Bronze Age."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075174828013909453noreply@blogger.com